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>not sure how me saying “you’re straight up wrong” translated to me calling you a fundamentalist in your brain.
*I* used the word fundamentalist because I was trying to indicate how these issues are about... nuance. That offended you for some reason, and I assumed you didn’t actually read my post because your response was so off-base. But it turns out you just had a horrendous, baseless take you didn’t bother to back up. Now you have, and it’s worse.
Go back to the original comment I replied to: “HAES/fat acceptance is bullshit.” I don’t think it’s all bullshit, though aspects of it are definitely bullshit. I believe I made that point, but you hate fat people and FAs so you projected that onto me and that comment.
>you said HAES/the fat acceptance movement were “about” X things and they are not about X things.
Your dismissal of HAES/fat acceptance is entirely based on NAAFA, which all but ceased to exist 40ish years ago. They were the OG HAES/SA folks but there have been many facets since, as you acknowledge. So why hyper focus on NAAFA? It’s like criticizing US policy toward Russia by only referencing the 1880s.
> that doesn’t mean fat acceptance was ever about “people trying not to hate their bodies so they wouldn't be compelled to abuse them.”
It absolutely was. You just have a weird, narrow, angry, outsider’s view of it. I’ve had conversations/debates with a boldfaced name in the HAES/SA movement where those exact words were said. She represents one of many facets of “fat acceptance,” and a lot of those people don’t agree with each other.
Yes, I could have elaborated upon/explained that it wasn’t an all-encompassing, linear path from “people trying not to hate their bodies so they wouldn't be compelled to abuse them” to the social media-stoked insanity we both disagree with. But that post was long enough already. I assumed some slack would be given but then this is bbw-chan, my bad.
>early NAAFA meetings were literally part runway shows where fat women could model clothes on a makeshift runway at their local harrah’s casino. if fat acceptance wasn’t about a straight guy and his cock then maybe there would have been fat dudes in those runway shows.
Do you live on earth? Straight women are overwhelmingly the main consumers of fashion, and I’ve never known a straight man — of any size — compelled to walk a runway or put on a fashion show in the first place. FYI, churches and charities have them all the time. They mostly involve women. They’re not for fetishists.
I swear you’re coming off like the closeted politician who goes nutso against gay rights to overcompensate.
>fat rights? there are unique disadvantages to being fat, but being disadvantaged by modifiable factors does not merit appropriating the linguistics of “human rights” discourse
I tend to agree, though on top of medical discrimination (more on that below) employment discrimination against fat people is definitely a thing, and exclusion from other public spaces that are not allowed to discriminate against protected classes.
I mean, I’ve gone to a hip restaurant with a thin male friend and was treated one way, then went there with a GF and was all but refused service. You can find millions of examples of this. Trade “fat” for “black” and it’s very much a human rights issue.
But…
> (reserved for unmodifiable factors or extremely-difficult-to-modify factors such as race, sex, socioeconomic class at birth, generational poverty)
…if you come back and say “well you can be skinny if you really want” I’ll raise you a “you can not be poor.” More proof you actually don’t know any fat people in a real way.
>lastly, let me explain how medicine works to you, because medicine has more of that word “nuance” than you realize. doctors dont send 1000s of fat people home to die.
They do though, and not just fat people. Don’t put doctors or any medical professionals on a pedestal because of a piece of parchment. They’re prone to greed, prejudice and miscalculation like anyone else.
>nobody outside of your persecutory fantasyland is denied a basic workup due to obesity.
Never said this, but go ahead and have the argument you want rather than the one you’ve got.
>if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s a duck
In these cases (knee pain, autoimmune issues), yes, you’re correct. I’m not gonna come up with hypotheticals or anecdotal info, but if you’re interested it’s highly Googleable. Are many of those stories exactly what you describe — self-victimization hysteria? Yes. All of them? No. But fat prejudice among doctors is a thing. The AMA itself admitted it, and there’s been a huge push to remediate.
>obesity isn’t an independent risk factor for any disease (and you are also apparently under this impression)
Didn’t say this; I actually said that it can kill you. Twice. You said it was a “fatal fucking disease” in the context of deifying the medical industry, and then choosing your own adventure by claiming I said doctors should never mention weight.
>do you want to try arguing that smoking is healthy.
Again, stick to what I wrote. Not what you think I represent.
>eternally-victimized fat person’s world
Seriously bro — why the fuck are you here? Clearly you hate fat people, and, based on your takedown of Bill Fabrey, FAs too. We’re all a little self-hating with this fetish, rightfully so, but JFC you’re off the charts.
Like, you dropped hints you’re into the humiliation/fat hate side of things (“That’s why it’s so hot!”) — and I can get with that too — but then why engage in a serious argument? Keep it between you, /ssbbw, and the tissue box.