>>74797 wtf I just saw this thread on /trash/

>>74798 It got deleted so I reposted it here

I know this is kinda a joke thread but imo people in this fetish really shouldn’t ever shit on the body positivity or “healthy at any size” communities. They are basically doing propaganda for us.

>>74802 Yeah I agree, I don't get why people on this site make fun of those people when they're doing the heavy lifting for us. As a side note, I read a document proposing new building standards written by a fat acceptance non-profit and they take that shit seriously. Their work is geared towards supersized individuals, which is useful for the preferences of this website. I wonder if donating to these groups is a cost effective way to push fat propaganda.

>>74811 The people who come in here and say bullshit like “fat women don’t smell, my 500 pound wife smells like roses. She fits on toilets perfectly and never struggles to wipe herself in tight spaces”…. Bullshit.

>>74797 Fat girls who like being fat won't disappear so it's alright anyway

>>74826 If it's easier to be skinny, fat girls will face increased pressure from others to lose weight.

>>74832 He’s the thing. Either you’re packing the meat to convince her to be fat or you aren’t. GLPs got nothing on a PHD (pretty huge dick).

>>74797 God, I'm so sick of the ozempic fear mongering on here. It's so tiring. Weight loss drugs will never end obesity. Obesity is a business. As long as a third of Americans are overweight, all the healthcare and pharmaceutical companies can keep profiting off their sickness. Weight loss drugs will never end obesity for the same reason cancer treatments will never end cancer, because without the cancer, they can't keep selling the treatments. Use your fucking brain and stop wasting everyone's time.

Glp1 drugs cause muscle wasting. Hearts are muscle. Watch, I'm gonna call it that these turn into the next phen-phen disaster. You'll see in a couple of years a slew of TV lawyer commercials, "Have you ever taken Ozempic or any other GLP1 weight loss drug? You may be entitled to a portion of a settlement with the manufacturers...."

At least 10% of people, up to 20% in some studies, are non-responders to GLP-1 drugs. I've read up to 30% of people suffer bad side effects like nausea. Depression and suicidal thoughts might also be caused and someone with depression may have a hard time getting prescribed, if they even go for it. That's not counting people who will be deterred by knowledge of these side effects. And of course, a small amount of women are into the feederism scene as feedees/gainers or just don't mind being fat

I'm more skeptical of it all. Supposedly a lot of people just stop taking it. The research on long term use of it is that once people get their desired weight, they stop and then rebound again. Not all mind you but most. I'm a big stats nerd so, the real things you may want to take into consideration is: Social Contagion Theory, Normalization Theory, and Sexual Imprinting. Essentially monkey see monkey do. If everyone in your circle is fat then you have a much higher chance of being fat (or smoking or drinking or whatever) that's just what Social Contagion research tells us. For the research on Normalization what's essentially happened is that as the average weight has gone up the weight that people say is okay has also gone up. People thinking they are average when they're fat but not obese that type of thing. You want it to eventually to reach a point where women think they are normal, event though they're at the border of obese. Once that happens, they won't really be taking drugs like that until after they have gotten too fat. And finally there's Sexual imprinting, more common among guys. As the average weight of women goes up the number of obese women that men are exposed to when they are young also goes up. This can result in there being more men who are into fatties than there were previously. The interesting dynamic here is that everything I mentioned feeds back into each other and can escalate significantly if/when the US breaks 50% obese, expected to happen by 2035 (it was 2030 but Ozempic increased the gap by about 5 years)

>>74841 Kisame here, the fear is that Trump is president and somehow going to usher in a totalitarian state despite him being just normal. He keeps calling female reporters porker, building big ballrooms, and even is benevolent. I think we're about to move from MAGA meaning the health care industry needs a face. >>74847 You have to blame Obama because health care is going to get expensive because it's mandated by the law, but Americans love cheap processed stuff. I see people at Shake Shack go for deals cause McDonald's and Wendy's are expensive. The biggest barrier to NYC become the next Europe are Americans wanting cheap options

>>74854 I have a bit of a quantitative background as well and I've been thinking about the Social Contagion aspect a lot. I've noticed a lot of these fat women come from families and communities where eating indulgent foods is a big part of the culture (mid west, south, etc.) These circles might be socially resistant to GLP-1s since being fat isn't as taboo and having a reduced appetite means being excluded from events. However, I'm worried about the worst case scenario where GLP-1s penetrate these communities in way that tips past the critical threshold and results in a collapse of the network. Hopefully what you say is true and we instead tip past a threshold in the opposite way.

>>74824 yeah you can tell it's bullshit because none of us ever will get laid

>>74868 I’ve gotten laid. I had a girlfriend. She smelled about how you’d expect and honestly that smell turns me on now like you wouldn’t believe. If I’m at the store and smell a lady like that it’s just intoxicating and makes me want to do stuff. It’s totally possible to score a big girl if you keep trying and get lucky.

If everyone can get thin, being thin will lose status.

>>74797 You've got the right idea but that angle is retarded. There is nothing you can do to convince people without a fetish to be okay with obesity. It's illogical AND goes against their instincts. The fat acceptance/body positivity movement is and has always been a joke, nobody believes it. There's no way to go about this by acting like the good guys. You want to stop Ozempic, you have to think like a bad guy. Yes, the key is using social media - to spread misinformation about the safety of the drug. There are already doubts regarding the side effects. Amplify those doubts. Play on people's existing distrust of big pharma. This has worked plenty of times before and is easy to spread around. Make it so that fat people see the situation like this - the two choices are suffering from obesity or suffering from ozempic. If it's like that, then their best option would be to stay fat and try losing weight naturally (which they would never do, but it would be the cope they would cling to). That's how you keep people where you want them. Not through positivity, but through fear.

Wait, is US obesity really still expected to get to 50% ?

plus size doesnt need propaganda, it will be always rising in notoriety because people in general ARE getting fatter, despite medical advances (not only in usa). so we gotta design a propaganda based on that fact

>>74871 I feel this so heavy. Fat girl smell is the most potent drug in the planet for a blue blooded FA.

>>74854 I would like to see your source for the US getting to 50% obesity. It's currently trending downward for the first time in decades

>>74897 Gallup reported a decline in obesity starting 3 years ago, but the CDC is still reporting an increase as of 2023. We'll have to see their next data release to see if GLP-1s are making a dent or not. That being said, I have no idea where OP is getting his 5 year projections from and I would love to see the data.

Can you post a link to the CDC page that's says obesity increased?

>>74901 It looks like I misread some of the stats. From 2015-2016 the obesity rate was 39.8%. from 2017-2018 it was 42.4%, and from 2021-2023 it was 40.3%. However it's worth noting this isn't the first time there's been a dip in obesity, there was a small decline between 2009-2010 and 2011-2012 https://data.worldobesity.org/country/united-states-227/#data_prevalence

>>74897 A number of the older articles were making those types of predictions in the past. https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/half-of-us-to-have-obesity-by-2030/ Predictions are based off trends. Not just one time declines or increases the general trend over decades. Based on those the prediction by some of the experts was to hit it by 2030. Then Ozempic became a thing. I'm skeptical of Ozempic so I'm personally guessing it will only slow it by 5 years. Whether it does I have no idea I'm just spit balling in that department, we're mostly waiting for when NHANES comes out with its new Data. I've dug at this stuff for years so I used to look at this even before the pandemic. I distinctly remember breaking down the rates by decade, manually. You have to look at Historical Obesity rates to do that. Average increases in obesity for women was like...0.6% per year or so for the last decade. So if you just extend that average for an additional decade you get 6% and as the other guy mentioned it was 42.4% around 2018. I also seriously doubt obesity went DOWN during Covid as everyone had the exact opposite response and supposedly Covid affected NHANES ability to gather data. Also Obesity Data from Canada has us going up by like 9% during the pandemic (24 to33 now). So yeah, I'm waiting for them to do their thing. I suspect it will be higher but we won't know until they release their report.

> Gentlemen, Gentlewomen, and Gentlethem, I present exhibit A as evidence for our ongoing defence against the scurge of ozempic. Titled: Operation Anti-Diet https://archive.is/1IN8g OK but dropping the LARP here for now. I think that Oxempic's overall impact on completely eliminating or even substantially reducing obesity rates is being massively overhyped by pretty much everyone. GLP-1s are pretty prevent among some of the upper echelons of society, but the mere fact of it being an injectable, highly medicalised approach makes it clear to me that it'll knock out a large amount of the target population who won't get over that inital burden. *However*, if you did want to push people to reject weight loss approaches, ozempic, and the like, you should follow what Big Food has been doing and basically boost the hell outof every 'Health At Every Size' post, promote 'anti-diet' approaches to food, and encourage endulgance and comfort. Sure, this may look like promoting some models or figures that you may not otherwise agree with or see eye-to-eye on, but that's ok, because their approach is not only going to make their own waist's expand, but their entire audience's waist expand. I'll quote from the article: > 'Jacob Mey, a dietitian and nutrition researcher at the Pennington Biomedical Research Center in Louisiana, said Rochon’s story is not unique. He said some of his clients have gained as much as 60 pounds in six months while working with anti-diet dietitians. > “It led them to get into the largest weight of their life,” Mey said. “The downside from a health perspective is exacerbating their obesity and potentially making worse their risk for other nutrition-related diseases.”

>>74913 The left have been seething about President Trump getting the peace prize from soccer, the most fat guy sport, and focusing their fire in Newsome.

>>74909 Trump is getting kei cars cause he knows fat women like them. Ford could make them, but he's a Japanese futurist like all the hard right does to take time off hating and oppression. Something about kei cars makes fat men feel like a giant. Meanwhile RFK wants to make exercise at the gym

Glp-1 drugs will soon get a lot more affordable. As soon as mid 2026

>>74923 No, everything will be expensive in 2026. Congress cannot use policy to make 2 for 1 specials or discounts. Duane Reade went out of business for that reason. Making stuff cheap requires investors

>>74913 >GLP-1s are pretty prevent among some of the upper echelons of society This is really bad because upper class tastes filter down to everyone else. >the mere fact of it being an injectable, highly medicalised approach makes it clear to me that it'll knock out a large amount of the target population who won't get over that inital burden. Right now GLP-1s have to be injected, but companies are working on pill versions. >basically boost the hell outof every 'Health At Every Size' post, promote 'anti-diet' approaches to food, and encourage endulgance and comfort. I don't people will buy into HAES but body positivity can be promoted. I've never heard of anti-diet before, I'll need to look this up and see how it can be promoted. I think there's room for promoting indulgence, I've heard some anecdotes that people feel more passionate and happy when they're off GLP-1s (since those drugs dampen impulsive behaviors) so maybe we could discourage GLP-1 usage without mentioning weight stuff.

>>74923 To be honest I sincerely doubt it. The Trump admin's plan for business to cut costs has been just telling them to do it. There's no subsidies planned, no grant money, no initiatives, just strong armming. If anything they will probably just get more expensive and less insurance plans will cover them. We're already running a shortage.

>>74929 Newsome and Hochul bragged NY and Cali have the GDP of Nordic countries despite France going bankrupt making money.

One way to think about all of this is in terms of costs and benefits. The social and economic (and possibly health, depending on your read of the literature) benefits of being thin, and of losing weight if you're fat, are high, so most people will try to get and stay thin. Until recently, it's been extremely costly to get and stay thin if you're fat. Costly in terms of dollars, but also time and effort. "Diets don't work": most people have to work hard against ingrained biological mechanisms that hold onto fat. The exceptions were either too difficult or costly for most people to access (WLS, for instance) or otherwise too dangerous to people's health (e.g., becoming a drug addict). GLP-1 inhibitors change the game by making it much less costly to get thin and stay thin. More so than ever, it takes less money/time/effort to get/stay thin than in human history. It's still too soon to reliably measure the exact magnitude of this effect, but it's reasonable to expect that this has at least slowed, if not reversed, the rate at which the population has gotten fatter. But, even so, the costs aren't zero: the medications remain expensive, insurance coverage is limited, a not-small minority of people get prohibitive side effects, etc. So if the goal is to keep that trend line going up, you can either raise the costs of thinness, or reduce the benefits of thinness. Body positivity and fat liberation have been trying to work on the latter. That's an uphill battle, to say the least, but because the costs of getting/staying thin were still pretty high in the 2010s, some small headway was made (and a big backlash initiated, too). BP/FA folks could make the pitch, "if keeping off a bunch of weight is really out of reach for most people, perhaps consider rethinking body size?" But since the costs have fallen in the past few years, it's put those movements on the back foot. On the costs front, pharmaceutical companies and medical institutions are trying to reduce costs further: developing medications with fewer side effects, developing pills instead of injectables, expanding insurance coverage, etc. TBD how much headway any of those efforts makes. The highest "cost hike" would probably be finding out about more severe medium-to-long-term effects of using these medications, but I don't think anyone can count on that, nor do I really want to (given how many people are on these drugs already!). So yeah, that's how I think about it: people will keep getting fatter if it becomes more "costly" or less beneficial to get/stay thin. Achieving either in an ethical way seems very hard at this point!

>>74931 I cannot calculate or put things into statistics as training away from schizo. Trump is getting the Saudis to buy cable because nobody wants Jews to run everything, and the Klan doesn't like cable enough despite being landowners. Even Newsome groomed by the Getty family doesn't want to put a trust down on healthcare. Only NYU types or Catholic Health wants it, but it's only a matter of time

WTF am I reading

>>74942 Americans want cheaper drugs which hasn't been a thing since the 20th Century. I have no idea how to cut costs. Obesity is still an epidemic and it's attracting celebrities RFK Jr who wants to make fat women exercise. RFK gets a pass because he's not Eric Adams levels of crazy where he wants to force vegan meals. Ozempic is just the new fad like Atkins and Weight Watchers.

>>74951 Glp-1 drugs are a lot more effective than WW or Atkins...

>>74965 The left wants control over resources as opposed to Getty family style frugality which is the problem. The party can't ration drugs to save lives.

>>74967 Can't have a bbw chan thread without conspiracy theorist Trumpers posting conspiracy theories

Please stop replying to the schizo

What if serious risks come to light that cause glp-1 drugs to stop being prescribed and we see a bunch of women gain weight just like the pandemic all over again? Apparently people can eventually develop resistance to these drugs, which are meant to be taken for life, and even gain weight while on them. I can see a lot of people getting sick and tired of having to reset their "glp-1 receptors" even without serious side effects. I'm starting to actually feel pretty hopeful.

>>74976 This is cope, you can't just hope the problem goes away.

I'm sure if enough people spread skepticism it could make a dent in people who take the drug. Just tell people how these are meant to be taken for life and how the longer people stay on them the higher the risk for severe side effects. Play up the bad news of glp-1 drugs https://federal-lawyer.com/injury-lawsuit/ozempic/

>>75010 That's nothing I have personal injury lawyers who go thru no fault workers comp. I don't believe the next Luigi going against healthcare will happen. Trump was the last bastion of crazy with maybe Alex Jones.

>>75010 I mean that judge presiding over Trump penalty was an outlier of being an ancient ghoul who telegraphed too much that nobody's bringing television in the court.

I think the downward trend of obesity has less to do with glp-1 drugs and more to do with the fall of nightlife and drinking. I live in the slimmest state in the US but every time I go out I see girls with fat bellies because drinking and nightlife are big in the areas I frequent. Want fatter women? We need less religion, fewer tradwives and more alcohol.

>>75018 Yeah, there's no financial trust in this, meaning this is dumb

>>75018 Aren't Republicans fatter?

>>75034 > Aren't Republicans fatter? People under Republican leadership are fatter. Lower wages, more expensive food, longer work hours, less access to medicine. It’s a great recipe for me being I’m invested in their employers and fucking hate poor people sucking down my tax money. Plus more fatties, and they’re not these stuck up boss babes who think they don’t need a provider. Thanks to Trump men are winning again.

>>75018 Hey fellow Colorado-anon

>>75039 >>75034 Trump and his supporters are the ones who want to make GLP-1 drugs cheaper and make everyone get married ages 18-21 and never party. You guys should go out to the club sometime to see the fat girls on crop tops.

>>75039 Don’t y’all read one of big red text says no politics

Under Republicans, more men are fat. Under Democrats, more women are fat.

>>75057 I think Trump could have a fat fetish, but wants the porker for the most angriest tantric sex he can have. Republicans have always made fat people look disciplined. He insults then, buy them McDonald's, insults them mind breaking them.

>>75049 Trump is notorious for sleeping for four hours, eating McDonald's, a diet Coke, eating again, and falling asleep during meetings. He's a fat guy with insomnia who seems to be energetic. There's fear Trump will live to 150. His son got bodied by a sumo wrestler in Japan.

Don't worry, Republicans are losing midterms cause they don't have the Donald's charisma. They lost Miami despite it being full of Cubans who vote Republican cause Florida is fucking expensive, way more than NY

>>75057 The schizos have found this thread. Do not interact with them, simply report and ignore.

Alright I'm the anti-Trump alcoholic and I will cool it

>>75084 Nobody cares for Colorado. I get the sense people are ashamed of being a rocky town that isn't Aspen. Denver, Boulder are touristy

>>75083 All the left have been talking about is Epstein and the Donald, I think it's pure deflection from nobody reading their papers. I am more inclined to agree with artists this is sanewashing. Biden has excellent health care and the left whined about autopen, doctor's, while his staff attempted to usurp him in a Game of Thrones-Hunger Game tier Gambit. The right are at least sticking to conspiracy thriller in Kirk, they don't have the charisma Dan Brown, Aliens Guy, or even Jeff Goldblum have.

I don't agree with David Duke but guy is intelligent, got to go to Europe, experience the Nordic model the left covets. The left are like the Dubliners from James Joyce. Sometimes I wonder if F Scot Fitzgerald could have been saved by having a fat fetish

Hoping to get this conversation back on track with (unfortunately) some doomerism: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/11/eli-lillys-weight-loss-drug-retatrutide-clears-first-late-stage-study.html > The highest dose of the drug helped patients with obesity and a type of knee arthritis lose an average of 23.7% of their body weight at 68 weeks, when analyzing all participants, including those who discontinued treatment. When evaluating only patients who stayed on the drug, the highest dose delivered 28.7% weight loss on average. That's more potent than Wegovy or Zepbound, though there is this silver lining: > In a note Thursday, JPMorgan analyst Chris Schott said retatrutide’s tolerability data, or how well patients handle the treatment, is “somewhat worse vs Zepbound, though not surprising, in our view.”

The longer a person is on one of these life long drugs, the higher their risk for severe side effects. If the lawsuits over vision loss and other shit start to win, doctors won't be prescribing these so willy nilly.

>>75066 I'm just going to vote Democrat until the girls get fat again

What does some wg artist have to do with any of this? Anyways, looks at economic statistics. A third of American households make less than 50k a year. With how expensive life is, those people aren't going to spend a ton of money on cosmetic glp-1 use. 70% of people say they live paycheck to paycheck. Not all of them are but if they feel pressed as it is, they aren't going to take on another monthly expense, even if it makes them l"look like a model." Also, most Americans don't trust glp-1 drugs in the first place or would just prefer not to use them.

Who keeps bringing up Kisame17 and why? The idea schizos are a danger goes out if you keep picking a fight with him